Enfin.

Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:57
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I finally finished the paper I just spent the past eight hours writing.
And thus, I bring you randomness, courtesy of Saint-Just:

Okay, so I was flipping through Saint-Just's Oeuvres completes (yes, I managed to insert a quote by Saint-Just into a paper on modern Africa) and found this very short and random "letter to one of his sisters":

Lille, 20 Pluviose [8 February 1794]

My dear sister,

What you ask of me is contrary to you; it is impossible for me to accord it to you. I embrace you with all my heart.


Okay, now I'm curious. Anybody have any theories as to what Saint-Just's sister could have been asking him at that date? Naturally, we're not going to find out the answer, but there's no harm in speculating, is there?

Oh, and a dialogue also written by Saint-Just concerning Organt (which I am too tired to translate at the moment):

M. D. : Monsieur est l'auteur du poème d'Organt ?
L'Auteur : Oui.
M. D. : Vous êtes bien corrompu pour votre âge.
L'Auteur : Et bien sage, peut-être.
M. D. : Que vous ont déjà fait les hommes pour allumer chez vous ce fiel satirique ?
L'Auteur : Je voulais leur plaire.
M. D. : Pourquoi ces malignes allusions ?
L'Auteur : J'ai travaillé d'après des hommes, tant mieux si j'ai attrapé la ressemblance.
M. D.: Vous sapez les rois !
L'Auteur : J'aime les rois, je hais les tyrans.
M. D. : Vous foulez aux pieds les établissements les plus sacrés !
L'Auteur : Ces établissements sont déchus, ils ne sont plus sacrés mais vils.
M. D. : Votre Charlemagne est le roi; votre Cunégonde est la reine.
L'Auteur : C'est vous qui l'avez dit.
M. D. : Votre singe Étienne Péronne est le chevalier Dubois.
L'Auteur : Respectez mon singe.
M. D. : Votre Pépin est le comte d'A... Il acheta, il y a quelques années, un cheval 1 700 louis. Ce cheval s'appelait Pépin et...
L'Auteur : Que Pépin s'appelle cheval !
M. D. : Vous avez honni les états généraux. Ne craignez-vous pas ?...
L'Auteur : Je ne crains rien de rien.
M. D. : Quelle horrible impiété règne dans votre livre !
L'Auteur : Priez pour moi.
M. D. : Quel portrait d'une reine !
L'Auteur : Quel original !
M. D. : Quelle diatribe contre le Parlement, le théâtre, et l'Académie !
L'Auteur : Quelle diatribe contre le bon sens que ces trois corps !
M. D. : Quelle peinture horrible de ?... et de la Trinité.
L'Auteur : Vous riez !
M. D. : Ne craignez-vous pas maître Antoine, dont vous avez honni le cochon et le cochon n'est-il point maître Antoine ?
L'Auteur : Apparemment.
M. D. : On vous rôtira.
L'Auteur : Je m'en fous.

It always cracks me up for some reason.

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Date: Thursday, 16 March 2006 07:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com
*feels bad for having gotten it immediately, and quite by chance*

It does seem a distinct possibility, but why would that seem "contrary" to her?

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Date: Thursday, 16 March 2006 23:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daughtermestizo.livejournal.com
*shakes fist at you*

Er, because she would get a husband? And Saint-Just wanted a husband, but she was telling him to get a wife?

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Date: Friday, 17 March 2006 00:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com
*wails* I'm sorry!

There's something in that logic I'm not quite getting...

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Date: Friday, 17 March 2006 00:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daughtermestizo.livejournal.com
Well, how did he mean "contrary to you"?

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Date: Friday, 17 March 2006 00:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com
I'm not sure; he just says, "ce que tu me demandes est contraire a toi; il m'est impossible de te l'accorder."

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Date: Friday, 17 March 2006 00:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daughtermestizo.livejournal.com
See....yeah...that's confusing. Maybe Antoine secretly had a bad grammar problem.

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Date: Friday, 17 March 2006 00:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com
I'm sure she understood what he was talking about. Still, that's not particularly useful, is it?

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Date: Friday, 17 March 2006 01:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daughtermestizo.livejournal.com
I was going to say that, actually. Curses! If only we could find the original letter!

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Date: Friday, 17 March 2006 01:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com
Well assuming it wasn't completely illegible, I doubt how that would help...

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Date: Friday, 17 March 2006 01:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daughtermestizo.livejournal.com
Sorry, my comment wasn't very clear. *facepalm* I meant his sister's letter.

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Date: Friday, 17 March 2006 01:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com
Oh, yes. That would be helpful. It might be around some place...

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Date: Friday, 17 March 2006 01:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daughtermestizo.livejournal.com
Do you think he kept it?

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Date: Friday, 17 March 2006 01:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com
We'd have to know his general letter-keeping habits to figure that out.

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Date: Friday, 17 March 2006 01:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daughtermestizo.livejournal.com
Hell. Though, speaking of which, what were Maxime's general letter-keeping habits?

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Date: Friday, 17 March 2006 01:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com
If I recall, I think he was supposed to have filed them all and kept them for... a really long time.

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Date: Friday, 17 March 2006 01:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daughtermestizo.livejournal.com
Hee hee! *pictures Maxime with Rolodex*

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Date: Friday, 17 March 2006 01:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com
*cracks up* Not. that. kind. of. filing.

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Date: Friday, 17 March 2006 01:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daughtermestizo.livejournal.com
*stifles laughter* I know, I know...

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Date: Friday, 17 March 2006 01:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com
I think someone said he used to keep those love letters random women wrote to him under his mattress XD.

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Date: Friday, 17 March 2006 01:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daughtermestizo.livejournal.com
Radnom women as in Saint-Just? I mean, that must've gotten to be a pretty big pile after a while.

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Date: Friday, 17 March 2006 02:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com
I mean of the more traditional sort. *sporfle* From what I hear, you're probably right...

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Date: Friday, 17 March 2006 02:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daughtermestizo.livejournal.com
I can see his mattress teetering precariously on top of a pile of letters, with Eléonore just sort of frowning at it.

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Date: Friday, 17 March 2006 02:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com
I think she takes some of them and burns them when he's not looking, every now and then, so the mattress will lay flat.

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Date: Thursday, 23 March 2006 03:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pakaboori.livejournal.com
Hi, just passing by from [livejournal.com profile] daughtermestizo's journal. You may already have thought of this, but to me it seemed that he was saying "What you ask of me is not characteristic of you; I cannot accept that it is coming from you." Something along those lines -- translating the sense of the words a bit roughly? Or at least how I understood them. Maybe she did something shameful and wanted him to ignore her -- proposing some kind of estrangement. Maybe, on the other hand, because of something he did.

Interesting fragment though. Is there really no way of finding out what it was about?

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Date: Thursday, 23 March 2006 04:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com
Hello! It's possible you're right about that, but I doubt, in answer to your last question, that there's any way of knowing.
...Unless the archives have something on it, that is.

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