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montagnarde1793...The makers of a movie about her, and the interview of those filmmakers in Vogue.
Note the symbolism of the word placement. As strange as it might seem, the most accurate thing about this drawing, aside from general facial structure is the ridiculously unrealistic blush. That was how they wore it....supposedly it symbolized power. Go figure.
Note the symbolism of the word placement. As strange as it might seem, the most accurate thing about this drawing, aside from general facial structure is the ridiculously unrealistic blush. That was how they wore it....supposedly it symbolized power. Go figure.
So, I was in the grocery store yesterday, looking for roquefort (they had it, but my parents made me get bleu d'auvergne instead, because it was cheaper :( ), when what did I see but Kirsten Dunst as Antoinette simpering at me from the cover of a magazine. Naturally, I had to read the article, since I am, a) a masochist, and b) wanted to rip it apart (both literally and figuratively). Aware that if I read it I would probably do it some physical damage, I opted to waste $4.50 on the useless thing. It was as bad as I suspected it would be. The sad thing, though, is I don't even think they know they're writing counterrevolutionary propaganda....Anyway, here it is (with comments from me in bold):
"teen queen: Why don't they capitalize titles now? And does the one year Antoinette spent as a teenage queen qualify her for the title? Especially since the concept didn't exist yet. Marie-Antoinette--played by Kirsten Dunst in Sofia Coppola's stunning Yes, I have a feeling I'll be knocked out after watching what this film is likely to do to the Revolution's image film--used her personal style to defy the rigid etiquette and scheming courtiers As if she wasn't one of them! of Versailles. Kennedy Fraser looks at the high spirited read: wasteful and extravagant life and tragic fate And of course, she was completely innocent here. of the young royal. And that's just the title!
Sofia Coppola's film Marie-Antoinette, covering the nineteen years that fabulous Fabulous in what way? Fabulously frivolous? Fabulously treasonous? and tragic They really like that word, don't they? woman spent at Versailles, created a sensation If by sensation they mean it was booed, then yes, I suppose it did when it opened earlier this year in France. It was filmed largely on location in the palace, with unswerving support from the directors of the museum If what they mean by that is they allowed them to film there. For the two leading actors--Kirsten Dunst as the young queen and Coppola's cousin This sort of appointment was one of the problems with the ancien regime, but I suppose the irony is lost on them Jason Schwartzman as King Louis XVI--it was a transformative experience to walk in rustling silk and tapping heels through halls filled with ghosts. If there are any ghosts in Versailles, they are the ghosts of people who actually died there. As in, NOT Antoinette or Capet! For Dunst, exquisitely and sometimes incorrectly but unstuffily In what is anything worn by Antoinette in her years at Versailles not stuffy? costumed by Milena Canonero (who deserves an Oscar for this work Staff writers at Vogue now decide who receives Academy Awards? I had *no* idea!), it was a very sensual role. "You breathe differently in those dresses; you move in a special way," Dunst says. No shit. I always move and breathe *exactly* the same in a corset, paniers, and a 2-foot pouf as in jeans and a t-shirt! To prepare herself, on the night a scaled-down crew was filming her in the emotionally charged Aww, is poor little Antoinette going to be taken back to Paris? How "emotionally charged"! balcony scene, she walked alone through the palace in the dark Something I'm sure Antoinette did all the time. "I could look in those mirrors," she says. "Be still in myself. Feel my place in that house." No, you didn't read that wrong: Dunst just referred to Versailles as a house. Well, maybe for her.
It is Coppola's third full-length film, after The Virgin Suicides and Lost in Translation, one of the most pointless films I have ever seen. With a $40 million budget, it is by far her most ambitious project, just proving that, like in the case of Marie-Antoinette, it is a bad idea to give lots of money to people who are out of touch with reality. She was aware that her subject is controversial Well, at least that much hasn't escaped her--that people, especially in France, either see the queen as a saint and martyr Yes, people like Louis XX and his loyal band of Neo-Chouans or really, really hate her. And of course, there is no reason for this, whatsoever. Coppola forgot about all that and brought her own Marie-Antoinette Barbie to life. In her film, history is seen from a very feminine Because anyone who doesn't support the aristocracy is of course either a man or as the term used to go, an "unnatural" woman young woman's point of view. In the directors mind it forms a trilogy with the previous two films, exploring the theme of young women discovering who they are. How touching. The queen's love of fashion particularly interested her. "You're considered superficial and silly if you're interested in fashion," Coppola says. No, you're considered superficial and silly if you're interesting in making everything barbie pink and frilly. The girl in Lost in Translation is just about to figure out a way of finding herself, but she hasn't yet. In this film she makes the next step. Antoinette=/=a contemporary American I feel that Marie-Antoinette is a very creative person. Except for the fact that she was paying people to be creative for her.
In 1770, the fourteen-year-old Archduchess Marie-Antoinette left her home in Austria and traveled to meet her fifteen-year-old fiancé, the dauphin, heir to the throne of France. She was an attractive little thing, with blonde hair Which is, of course, a requirement for attractiveness, blue eyes, a fine pale skin, and the pouting Hapsburg-family lower lip. Well....that's one way of putting it. I might have chosen protruding Hapsburg jaw, but what do I know? She was the fifteenth child of a formidable mother, the Empress Maria Theresa, who led her huge empire so efficiently I wonder what the Austrian People thought about her "efficiency." Oh, right: their opinion doesn't count that she went on reading state papers while she was giving birth. At the last minute it had been discovered that the future bride (who liked dancing and playing with children and dolls) could barely read and write. It "had been discovered"? In what way could they not have known? Perhaps if she had spent less time "dancing and playing with children and dolls" she would have known these, I must say, rather essential skills. Her mother arranged for a crash education and a makeover, including cosmetic dentistry, a less provincial hairdo, and a complete new wardrobe of French-style clothes, which of course, were burned before she ever reached Versailles, exemplifying just how *careful* the royals were to conserve resources. Then, the girl rolled through the forest in a special gilded coach with gold roses (symbol of the Hapsburgs) and lilies (symbol of the Bourbons) It's times like this when I'm ashamed my name can mean either rose or lily nodding in a topknot on the roof. Behind the huge glass windeows she was like a jewel in a padded case. Somehow, I feel more sorry for the People, who, to follow the metaphor, would be more like pebbles on the ground that whoever was carrying the padded case stepped on. From now on, her mother had warned her, all eyes would be on her, and she should do what she was told. Maria Theresa had anxious premonitions; her girl was lively and affectionate in nature but had the attention span of a flea." And probably the brain of one as well.
The article goes on, but I'll just look at the phrases from the body they decided to focus on in particular for the rest, since it is quite long.
"She was only fourteen when she arrived at Versailles; she fell to the French Revolution at 37." Actually, I believe she was 38. But that's beside the point; the Revolution is not a disease. One does not "fall to" it the same way one falls to smallpox. Some of the accusations directed at her were ridiculous, but that does not change the fact that she had been keeping a treasonous correspondence with her brother the emperor of Austria.
"Silks and velvets, muslin and lawn the wheel of fashion, spun by the queen and her "minister of fashion," whirled faster and faster." I think this one speaks for itself.
"Gossip, humiliating mockery, and intrigue were the principal court occupations." And yet, of course, the Revolution was teh ebil.
"She had one job ahead of her really: to secure the power of the French state by giving birth to a future dauphin." Can you imagine anything more difficult? Surely not the fate of a woman of the People if she failed to have children. Oh no, certainly not.
"She was a sprite who picked at her food, loved to dance and stay up late--his [Capet's] opposite in every way, but they grew fonder of each other with every passing year." Which would of course explain why so many historians think it was likely that she had lovers. And even if she didn't, "she was a sprite who picked at her food"? Maybe if she really looked like Kirsten Dunst, but she wasn't exactly thin in reality, so I doubt how that could be true.
"She used her charm to turn several revolutionary leaders, including the Comte de Mirabeau, into the king's secret agents." That's funny; I wasn't aware she had anything to do with that. Not to mention, if she was so keen on looking for allies, she might not have refused to speak to La Fayette, a man so clearly on her side.
"The erstwhile airhead found extraordinary reserves of will and character. She became, they said, the best man the king had." Perhaps because she was the only "man the king had".
"She faced death with absolute self-control and dignity, They say this as if this was a rare occurence and stepped gracefully, even with hands tied, to the scaffold." That's funny, because I *distinctly* recall that she stepped on Sanson's foot.
And a few quotes I found *particularly* interesting:
"She invited chosen friends to join her for pleasure parties straight out of Watteau or Fragonard: picnics, boating, blindman's bluff, or gathering the hens' eggs at her miniature farm. She built a private theater and played (in spectacular costumes) the parts of milkmaids and shepherdesses." What really strikes me about this quote is, not only do they find nothing wrong with this, they seem almost nostalgic about it. *shudders*
"When a mob arrived from Paris and stormed the palace, its members almost succeeded in murdering her....For her remaining time on earth she lived in constant fear of assassination." And of course, there were no attempts on anyone else's lives. I don't know why we're expected to feel sorry for her, but not care when Revolutionaries actually *are* assassinated.
"....The king, who had already been stripped of his powers, was now stripped of his name and title. He went to his trial as "Citizen Louis Capet." OMG!!!!111!!1 That's so *sad* ....Because, obviously, that's the worst thing that can happen to anyone. They took away his title! How could they *be* so cruel?!
"Her remains were tossed near her husband's in what had become a crowded mass grave for victims of the 'national razor.'" And naturally, all of them were innocent, hence the term victim. And they were probably all aristocrats too. And there were probably lots of evil unnatural women knitting at executions. And the Jacobins probably controlled the weather. And Maxime probably had fangs and green skin. And Couthon probably *did* really want that glass of blood. And Danton probably really was the "Abraham Lincoln of France." And the Thermidorians probably were the heroic saviors of democracy. And.....
I rest my case.
"teen queen: Why don't they capitalize titles now? And does the one year Antoinette spent as a teenage queen qualify her for the title? Especially since the concept didn't exist yet. Marie-Antoinette--played by Kirsten Dunst in Sofia Coppola's stunning Yes, I have a feeling I'll be knocked out after watching what this film is likely to do to the Revolution's image film--used her personal style to defy the rigid etiquette and scheming courtiers As if she wasn't one of them! of Versailles. Kennedy Fraser looks at the high spirited read: wasteful and extravagant life and tragic fate And of course, she was completely innocent here. of the young royal. And that's just the title!
Sofia Coppola's film Marie-Antoinette, covering the nineteen years that fabulous Fabulous in what way? Fabulously frivolous? Fabulously treasonous? and tragic They really like that word, don't they? woman spent at Versailles, created a sensation If by sensation they mean it was booed, then yes, I suppose it did when it opened earlier this year in France. It was filmed largely on location in the palace, with unswerving support from the directors of the museum If what they mean by that is they allowed them to film there. For the two leading actors--Kirsten Dunst as the young queen and Coppola's cousin This sort of appointment was one of the problems with the ancien regime, but I suppose the irony is lost on them Jason Schwartzman as King Louis XVI--it was a transformative experience to walk in rustling silk and tapping heels through halls filled with ghosts. If there are any ghosts in Versailles, they are the ghosts of people who actually died there. As in, NOT Antoinette or Capet! For Dunst, exquisitely and sometimes incorrectly but unstuffily In what is anything worn by Antoinette in her years at Versailles not stuffy? costumed by Milena Canonero (who deserves an Oscar for this work Staff writers at Vogue now decide who receives Academy Awards? I had *no* idea!), it was a very sensual role. "You breathe differently in those dresses; you move in a special way," Dunst says. No shit. I always move and breathe *exactly* the same in a corset, paniers, and a 2-foot pouf as in jeans and a t-shirt! To prepare herself, on the night a scaled-down crew was filming her in the emotionally charged Aww, is poor little Antoinette going to be taken back to Paris? How "emotionally charged"! balcony scene, she walked alone through the palace in the dark Something I'm sure Antoinette did all the time. "I could look in those mirrors," she says. "Be still in myself. Feel my place in that house." No, you didn't read that wrong: Dunst just referred to Versailles as a house. Well, maybe for her.
It is Coppola's third full-length film, after The Virgin Suicides and Lost in Translation, one of the most pointless films I have ever seen. With a $40 million budget, it is by far her most ambitious project, just proving that, like in the case of Marie-Antoinette, it is a bad idea to give lots of money to people who are out of touch with reality. She was aware that her subject is controversial Well, at least that much hasn't escaped her--that people, especially in France, either see the queen as a saint and martyr Yes, people like Louis XX and his loyal band of Neo-Chouans or really, really hate her. And of course, there is no reason for this, whatsoever. Coppola forgot about all that and brought her own Marie-Antoinette Barbie to life. In her film, history is seen from a very feminine Because anyone who doesn't support the aristocracy is of course either a man or as the term used to go, an "unnatural" woman young woman's point of view. In the directors mind it forms a trilogy with the previous two films, exploring the theme of young women discovering who they are. How touching. The queen's love of fashion particularly interested her. "You're considered superficial and silly if you're interested in fashion," Coppola says. No, you're considered superficial and silly if you're interesting in making everything barbie pink and frilly. The girl in Lost in Translation is just about to figure out a way of finding herself, but she hasn't yet. In this film she makes the next step. Antoinette=/=a contemporary American I feel that Marie-Antoinette is a very creative person. Except for the fact that she was paying people to be creative for her.
In 1770, the fourteen-year-old Archduchess Marie-Antoinette left her home in Austria and traveled to meet her fifteen-year-old fiancé, the dauphin, heir to the throne of France. She was an attractive little thing, with blonde hair Which is, of course, a requirement for attractiveness, blue eyes, a fine pale skin, and the pouting Hapsburg-family lower lip. Well....that's one way of putting it. I might have chosen protruding Hapsburg jaw, but what do I know? She was the fifteenth child of a formidable mother, the Empress Maria Theresa, who led her huge empire so efficiently I wonder what the Austrian People thought about her "efficiency." Oh, right: their opinion doesn't count that she went on reading state papers while she was giving birth. At the last minute it had been discovered that the future bride (who liked dancing and playing with children and dolls) could barely read and write. It "had been discovered"? In what way could they not have known? Perhaps if she had spent less time "dancing and playing with children and dolls" she would have known these, I must say, rather essential skills. Her mother arranged for a crash education and a makeover, including cosmetic dentistry, a less provincial hairdo, and a complete new wardrobe of French-style clothes, which of course, were burned before she ever reached Versailles, exemplifying just how *careful* the royals were to conserve resources. Then, the girl rolled through the forest in a special gilded coach with gold roses (symbol of the Hapsburgs) and lilies (symbol of the Bourbons) It's times like this when I'm ashamed my name can mean either rose or lily nodding in a topknot on the roof. Behind the huge glass windeows she was like a jewel in a padded case. Somehow, I feel more sorry for the People, who, to follow the metaphor, would be more like pebbles on the ground that whoever was carrying the padded case stepped on. From now on, her mother had warned her, all eyes would be on her, and she should do what she was told. Maria Theresa had anxious premonitions; her girl was lively and affectionate in nature but had the attention span of a flea." And probably the brain of one as well.
The article goes on, but I'll just look at the phrases from the body they decided to focus on in particular for the rest, since it is quite long.
"She was only fourteen when she arrived at Versailles; she fell to the French Revolution at 37." Actually, I believe she was 38. But that's beside the point; the Revolution is not a disease. One does not "fall to" it the same way one falls to smallpox. Some of the accusations directed at her were ridiculous, but that does not change the fact that she had been keeping a treasonous correspondence with her brother the emperor of Austria.
"Silks and velvets, muslin and lawn the wheel of fashion, spun by the queen and her "minister of fashion," whirled faster and faster." I think this one speaks for itself.
"Gossip, humiliating mockery, and intrigue were the principal court occupations." And yet, of course, the Revolution was teh ebil.
"She had one job ahead of her really: to secure the power of the French state by giving birth to a future dauphin." Can you imagine anything more difficult? Surely not the fate of a woman of the People if she failed to have children. Oh no, certainly not.
"She was a sprite who picked at her food, loved to dance and stay up late--his [Capet's] opposite in every way, but they grew fonder of each other with every passing year." Which would of course explain why so many historians think it was likely that she had lovers. And even if she didn't, "she was a sprite who picked at her food"? Maybe if she really looked like Kirsten Dunst, but she wasn't exactly thin in reality, so I doubt how that could be true.
"She used her charm to turn several revolutionary leaders, including the Comte de Mirabeau, into the king's secret agents." That's funny; I wasn't aware she had anything to do with that. Not to mention, if she was so keen on looking for allies, she might not have refused to speak to La Fayette, a man so clearly on her side.
"The erstwhile airhead found extraordinary reserves of will and character. She became, they said, the best man the king had." Perhaps because she was the only "man the king had".
"She faced death with absolute self-control and dignity, They say this as if this was a rare occurence and stepped gracefully, even with hands tied, to the scaffold." That's funny, because I *distinctly* recall that she stepped on Sanson's foot.
And a few quotes I found *particularly* interesting:
"She invited chosen friends to join her for pleasure parties straight out of Watteau or Fragonard: picnics, boating, blindman's bluff, or gathering the hens' eggs at her miniature farm. She built a private theater and played (in spectacular costumes) the parts of milkmaids and shepherdesses." What really strikes me about this quote is, not only do they find nothing wrong with this, they seem almost nostalgic about it. *shudders*
"When a mob arrived from Paris and stormed the palace, its members almost succeeded in murdering her....For her remaining time on earth she lived in constant fear of assassination." And of course, there were no attempts on anyone else's lives. I don't know why we're expected to feel sorry for her, but not care when Revolutionaries actually *are* assassinated.
"....The king, who had already been stripped of his powers, was now stripped of his name and title. He went to his trial as "Citizen Louis Capet." OMG!!!!111!!1 That's so *sad* ....Because, obviously, that's the worst thing that can happen to anyone. They took away his title! How could they *be* so cruel?!
"Her remains were tossed near her husband's in what had become a crowded mass grave for victims of the 'national razor.'" And naturally, all of them were innocent, hence the term victim. And they were probably all aristocrats too. And there were probably lots of evil unnatural women knitting at executions. And the Jacobins probably controlled the weather. And Maxime probably had fangs and green skin. And Couthon probably *did* really want that glass of blood. And Danton probably really was the "Abraham Lincoln of France." And the Thermidorians probably were the heroic saviors of democracy. And.....
I rest my case.
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Date: Sunday, 27 August 2006 23:07 (UTC)No shit. I always move and breathe *exactly* the same in a corset, paniers, and a 2-foot pouf as in jeans and a t-shirt!
I almost spit my ice cream at the laptop screen XD
either see the queen as a saint and martyr or really, really hate her.
I really, really love how this sentence works. Really. And the Neo-Chouans and Louis XX scare me. Sincerely. Same thing for the Orléanistes. Or whatever. It's just so depressing that they didn't end poor and working in McDonald's. I mean, then, perhaps I'd feel some sort of pity for the poor guy who is serving you a bigmac and saying how he could have been king of France had there not been a 1789, but geez, they still are fucking rich and have all those people cleaning their asses. Ugh.
Because anyone who doesn't support the aristocracy is of course either a man or as the term used to go, an "unnatural"
No, Estella, EBIL. EBIIIIIIIIIL. *nods*
In the directors mind it forms a trilogy with the previous two films, exploring the theme of young women discovering who they are.
What the bloody fuck? Trilogy? Oh, fuck.
"She used her charm to turn several revolutionary leaders, including the Comte de Mirabeau, into the king's secret agents."
Most. Amusing. Thing. Ever. I bet a few are laughing their asses off somewhere. No, really. The demoness seduced the revolutionaries!!!1112!45!! THE ROYAL SUCCUBUS!!! The pamphlétaires could never had done any better. But the moron who wrote the article doesn't know it, true.
OMG!!!!111!!1 That's so *sad* ....Because, obviously, that's the worst thing that can happen to anyone. They took away his title! How could they *be* so cruel?!
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They do love to repeat that one again and again, eh? Frankly, I don't get it. I just don't.
The end killed me, btw. Such a magnificent diatribe! And my Jacobin ghosts send the author a gigantic "eye-roll" of boredom.
P.S. At least, my Mom agrees that this movie is awful. Only... for obviously different reasons.
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Date: Monday, 28 August 2006 00:00 (UTC)No shit. I always move and breathe *exactly* the same in a corset, paniers, and a 2-foot pouf as in jeans and a t-shirt!
I almost spit my ice cream at the laptop screen XD
Well, I mean, it's only logical, isn't it? And you have ice cream? *envies*
Really. And the Neo-Chouans and Louis XX scare me. Sincerely. Same thing for the Orléanistes. Or whatever. It's just so depressing that they didn't end poor and working in McDonald's. I mean, then, perhaps I'd feel some sort of pity for the poor guy who is serving you a bigmac and saying how he could have been king of France had there not been a 1789, but geez, they still are fucking rich and have all those people cleaning their asses. Ugh.
What I want to know is, how the hell did they end up so rich after everything that's happened in French history since 1789?
No, Estella, EBIL. EBIIIIIIIIIL. *nods*
Well, that too, of course. I was merely referring to the fact that they don't think women are capable of supporting the Revolution without being some sort of man-woman hybrid.
What the bloody fuck? Trilogy? Oh, fuck.
So we know where Coppola's brain, or lack thereof, is.
Most. Amusing. Thing. Ever. I bet a few are laughing their asses off somewhere. No, really. The demoness seduced the revolutionaries!!!1112!45!! THE ROYAL SUCCUBUS!!! The pamphlétaires could never had done any better. But the moron who wrote the article doesn't know it, true.
I love it when counterrevolutionaries sabotage themselves.
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They do love to repeat that one again and again, eh? Frankly, I don't get it. I just don't.
I don't get it either....I think they actually find it more upsetting that he lost his title than that he lost his head.
The end, of course: the grand finale. Your Jacobins ghosts? But I'm sure they do, at that. XD
So why does your mother think it's horrible? I thought she remembered the stockings.
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Date: Monday, 28 August 2006 00:13 (UTC)One word: Thermidorians. It just went downhill after that (while the royalists' money returned).
I don't get it either....I think they actually find it more upsetting that he lost his title than that he lost his head.
That's simply because, even if they are not aware of it, Capet already had no head. The title, on the other side...
So why does your mother think it's horrible? I thought she remembered the stockings.
She thinks it's horrible because it gives a bad image of the saint martyr Tontoinette. As for the stockings, I will not insist *shudders* I only hope at one point she'll dream of her trial and can tell me where I was, exactly.
I wonder what my Jacobin ghosts think of that movie. They're probably very depressed...
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Date: Monday, 28 August 2006 00:52 (UTC)I suppose you're right about Capet not having a head, but all the same, they can't know that...
She thinks it's horrible because it gives a bad image of the saint martyr Tontoinette.
Oh. Right.
Why do you think you'll be at her trial though, necessarily?
Again, your Jacobin ghosts? I recall I met some too! Probably, poor things. ;__;
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Date: Sunday, 27 August 2006 23:43 (UTC)just proving that, like in the case of Marie-Antoinette, it is a bad idea to give lots of money to people who are out of touch with reality.
This level of wit was enough to rival Oscar Wilde, and then without the blasé laidback disinterest that so characterised his cleverness.
Except for the fact that she was paying people to be creative for her.
And darling, this certainly isn't the case for you, and your creative wit was about enough to cut the heart right out of my chest. Brilliant!
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Date: Monday, 28 August 2006 00:59 (UTC)See, it all fits: Tontoinette = cow = BDSM cow = mocking of royal bimbos. Organt spirit, truly. Saint-Just would approve.
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Date: Monday, 28 August 2006 00:55 (UTC)I'm sure I'm no Oscar Wilde, but I appreciate the sentiment in any case.
But of course, wit must be employed in the proper causes. It is one thing to have it, and another to know when to use it. I hope I have acquitted myself of that task here.
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Date: Monday, 28 August 2006 01:01 (UTC)the poor dear, which would be assuredly named Maxime-Éléonore, would be very, very, very frightening mutant... and would probably have the green skin and the fangs.
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Date: Monday, 28 August 2006 02:08 (UTC)Coppola forgot about all that and brought her own Marie-Antoinette to life
...Which is entirely the problem.
Antoinette=/=a contemporary American
I honestly don't think people realize this. It's worrying.
I don't know why we're expected to feel sorry for her, but not care when Revolutionaries actually *are* assassinated.
Well, obviously because the revolutionaries didn't run around in sparkly things and pretend to be shepherdesses. Didn't you read the handbook?
*weeps tears of blood*
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Date: Monday, 28 August 2006 02:22 (UTC)...Which is entirely the problem.
I know! It's like Frankenstein!
I honestly don't think people realize this. It's worrying.
I hope for the sake of my future sanity that doesn't turn out to be the truth.
Well, obviously because the revolutionaries didn't run around in sparkly things and pretend to be shepherdesses. Didn't you read the handbook?
Oh. Right. The handbook. I think I missed when they were handing them out.
*hands tissue and copy of Maxime's mouchoir poem*
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Date: Monday, 28 August 2006 02:48 (UTC)They do seem to be focusing a bit too much on the "OMGLook how similar Marie Antoinette is to you!!!11" thing.
Don't feel bad. I lost my copy. ;__; Though now I have a disturbing mental image of Marat as a shepherdess.
^_^
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Date: Monday, 28 August 2006 02:53 (UTC)Just a bit. I know they'd like people to identify with their protagonist, but warping her in order to achieve that is just stupid.
Marat would be *such* an awesome shepherdess! It should be drawn. Really.
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Date: Monday, 28 August 2006 15:46 (UTC)(to be true, even the official guide to the site isn't particularly sure about the identity of the body they attributed to Capet... so ;) )
She was a sprite who picked at her food,
It's not really a XVIII century thing- it's more like empress Elizabeth, but definitely not like a Fragonard beauty.
The article was truly dreadful! Illogical, I'd say. And the bit about the Augsburg lip- man, that's the first time I saw anybody say it's cute XD
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Date: Monday, 28 August 2006 21:52 (UTC)Of course! They think the Revolution itself is a plot!
It's not really a XVIII century thing- it's more like empress Elizabeth, but definitely not like a Fragonard beauty.
I'm not sure they realize that; after all, being a 21st century American fashion magazine, I'm sure they think society has always expected women to look skeletal in order to be considered beautiful.
The article was truly dreadful! Illogical, I'd say.
They were just asking for it to be ripped apart.
And the bit about the Augsburg lip- man, that's the first time I saw anybody say it's cute XD
Yes, most people--everyone, actually--tends to consider it a fault.
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Date: Monday, 28 August 2006 22:23 (UTC)When does this movie come out again? I have a feeling I'm going to be mega snarky-obnoxious at the theater, so I suppose I'd better go to a late showing. Tragic as their taste may be (unless they've come for similar reasons), others have the right to enjoy the movie.
It's pretty sad, I suppose, that I already have a verdict for it: "A vapid movie about a vapid woman made for a vapid audience."
Slightly randomly...I finally got my history textbook for the year today. It had a picture of Antoinette on her way to the guillotine and actually called her attractive. O.o; Perhaps they meant before, but still, using THAT picture as they said it? On the other hand, as I was skimming I came across a sentence stating that Maxime was 'utterly honest' and some other praise that I can't remember specifically at the moment, so it can't be all bad. :D I will look through it more thoroughly tonight.
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Date: Tuesday, 29 August 2006 02:42 (UTC)It comes out some time in October, but I'm not exactly sure when....I don't blame the people who watch it; bad taste is not a crime. I blame the filmmakers, who should really be considering what they're putting out for public consumption.
I think your verdict about sums it up, even if I haven't seen it. It would be one thing to judge it knowing nothing about it, but I've seen the trailers and I've read many different reviews of it....I get that idea from whatever I see of it.
...Antoinette was never really attractive; she wasn't horrible looking to begin with, but one could hardly objectively call her good looking either...especially not at the end of her life....I wonder what they were smoking. It sounds like it has the right idea about Maxime, though. Perhaps a textbook which attempts to be objective has been found at last....I had given up hope.