montagnarde1793: (Je voudrais te dire...)
montagnarde1793 ([personal profile] montagnarde1793) wrote2009-08-12 11:46 pm

A happy belated 10 August to all!

(And a happy belated birthday to [info]maelicia, too, of course!) That is not, however, the principal point of this post. Rather it is to point out that several older issues of the AHRF are available on persee.fr, including this one from 1986, which points out a couple of things, for those of you who can't read the original:

1. Apparently the plaque dedicated to Robespierre in the Conciergerie was vandalized that year. D: It's since been replaced, obviously, but still. D: (One can't help imagining whoever did as someone who read some article by a revisionist and decided it was so scandalous that there should be a plaque dedicated to an Evil Bloodthirsty Tyrant (tm) that he had to take matters into his own hands...)

2. More helpfully, it solves the mystery regarding the Duplays' graves in Père Lachaise. I knew the other Duplays were supposed to be buried in Père Lachaise, and in the same division as Éléonore, but I wasn't sure where. Now I know that they were (logically enough) all buried in the same grave, despite what the marker says.

The notice also explains the weird modern tombstone--apparently it was put into place in 1985. Also, the article mentions three details about Éléonore herself, one of which confirms something I had read earlier, the other two of which confuse me somewhat. It does indeed seem that her full name was Marie-Éléonore (I'd say it's pretty obvious why that isn't mentioned more often), but the date of her death is here listed one day off from what I've read elsewhere, and so too her age when she died is a year more than it should be (25 July 1832 vs. 26 July 1832 and 65 vs. 64). I don't know quite what to make of it. Do they have other (better?) information than I do? Or is it just a typo...?

At any rate, the inscription the tombstone now bears is clearly not the one it was originally supposed to, if this notice is to be believed. It clearly reads, "Eléonore Duplay, 1768-1832" with possibly something else which is now illegible beneath, rather than "Duplay Marie-Eléonore, décédée le 25 juillet 1832, à l'âge de 65 ans" ("Duplay Marie-Eléonore, deceased 25 July 1832, at the age of 65").

Also, I am very annoyed that I can't go to the Archives nationales, especially since I found a book with a lot of specific information about when various people (the Duplays, Charlotte Robespierre, Couthon's family) were imprisoned post Thermidor (and where, and for how long, etc.) and which I would not ordinarily find trustworthy (see for yourself), but which, like few of its kind, actually cites archival sources. Still, I don't feel I can really trust the information coming from a source like that. I have to see for myself. And I can't. >.>;;

I should mention, too, that I'm going to be in Santa Fe for a few days, so all commenting and posting (and fic-writing) may have to cease during that time. But I'll be back Sunday, never fear.

[identity profile] ephaistion85.livejournal.com 2009-08-13 06:01 am (UTC)(link)
Thank's for sharing this one :)
Regretfully my photos of Eléonore's tomb are scarcely readable (last years there was a lot of grass/plants on the tomb).
As far as I can remember, Robespierre's plaqua was vandalized more than one time >.<

*anti-thermidorian rant mood on*

[identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com 2009-08-13 06:16 am (UTC)(link)
You're quite welcome.
I know what you mean. The best picture on-line is only somewhat legible if you already know what it says): http://lh6.ggpht.com/_3DAn9ajL9Ss/SA_WMPy6c5I/AAAAAAAANhQ/OTPAVMUu0-Y/perefavs0046339.jpg.
It's quite possible. I think it's the plaque at the Duplays' that has been vandalized more often though, since it's outside. I kind of wonder how it would even be possible to vandalize the one at the Conciergerie without the connivance of the museum guards. Which is really something I don't want to contemplate.

[identity profile] trf-chan.livejournal.com 2009-08-13 07:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooooh, thank you for posting about this and for pointing out a few of the things in it. :D

-_- How awful, and yet how predictable, that his plaque would be vandalized. I wonder what exactly they did to it. And, as you said in another comment, how they were able to do it despite museum guards being about. o.o

Hope Santa Fe is enjoyable. :D

[identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com 2009-08-16 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course. ^__^

It does seem rather strange; that the plaque that's outside gets vandalized, I can understand, but one inside a museum? (And furthermore, a museum that you would think would be more difficult than most to break into, having formerly been a prison?)

It wasn't too bad. We were there to see a couple of operas, which, apart from the really bizarre stagings were quite good. Unfortunately, there's not much else to do in Santa Fe, unless one is a wealthy art collector.